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>> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when congressman ryan had the floor. unlike president obama, the vice president kept his eyes on his opponent smiling and shaking his head as the republican candidate attacked. >>> the hot topic of libya and the deadly assault in benghazi that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. president obama's deputy campaign manager suggested the only reason the obama's handling of the attack is because the republicans are talking about it on the campaign trail. she said that was reckless and irresponsib irresponsible. last night, ryan blasted the white house. >> it took the presi
>> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when...
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. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptuous and disrespectful. >> karen finney on the right wing freak-out over joe biden's knockout performance. >> ever felt that way where you just want to deck somebody? >> an obnoxious drunk. i think somewhere during the debate he took ritalin. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. what did we see? we witnessed a schooling on the issues by vice president joe biden last night. it really was the shot in the arm the democrats and the progressives were hoping for. after watching mitt romney get away with lie after lie
. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or...
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ronald reagan's. with the limits that you are in a government where we are now looking at very few paying the freight for it we have to do something about that. >> i think we do. but let me tell you. powers at be are not in washington. as long as you are there, powers that be are in washington. >> i have you on the phone. >> enough said i got you on the phone. we talk about a simplified tax code and i think it is the way to go. >> i think that is what paul ryan should have said to joe biden. he voted for 50 to 28%. and the democrats led the fight over the years and kerry brown he wanted 100 percent to pay income tax at the exact same rate and came in second in the primary in 1992 in the democratic party. everyone knows you should have a low rate flat tax for economic growth and/or fairness. it is the right way to go. >> i'm sorry. but everyone having skin in the game. >> exactly. >> they are not looking at the poorest among us. but if you have a stake in the game you are interested in the game and you
ronald reagan's. with the limits that you are in a government where we are now looking at very few paying the freight for it we have to do something about that. >> i think we do. but let me tell you. powers at be are not in washington. as long as you are there, powers that be are in washington. >> i have you on the phone. >> enough said i got you on the phone. we talk about a simplified tax code and i think it is the way to go. >> i think that is what paul ryan should...
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. >> ronald reagan and jack kennedy -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> the vice president almost got dismissive when he tried to question the administration's business in afghanistan. >> at times joe biden used answers like marlakey over answers paul ryan gave. the romney/ryan ticket has been saying the united states has been pulling too many troops out of afghanistan leave doing small of force to defend itself in the eastern part of that country. now again here biden staying on the attack questioning ryan's understanding of the obama administration's policy to train afghan troops to take over the fight against the taliban. >> it's the most dangerous place in the world. >> that's why we don't want to send fewer -- >> that's why we should send americans in to do the job. you'd rather americans >> no. we are already sending americans to do the job but fewer of them. >> that's right. we're sending in more afghans to do the job, afghans to do the job. >> you know, this post debate spin has already gone into high gear tonight. republicans sending out dozens of e-mails to reporters tonight questionin
. >> ronald reagan and jack kennedy -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> the vice president almost got dismissive when he tried to question the administration's business in afghanistan. >> at times joe biden used answers like marlakey over answers paul ryan gave. the romney/ryan ticket has been saying the united states has been pulling too many troops out of afghanistan leave doing small of force to defend itself in the eastern part of that country. now again here biden...
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nixon was better in the second, gerald ford came back, ronald reagan came back after the disaster. and one assumes that president obama is doing the homework to make sure it happens. >> so johnathan, giving what larry describes here, does this mean the president has to come back and do just a solid debate performance or does he have to blow the socks off this one? >> just a solid performance. you know, he does have a lead, he lost, at most, two points. one to two points out of this last week, so he is going to be going in at this next debate, unless something else happens, which is not likely. you know, with a four-point lead, possibly. so if he can just deliver a solid performance, he will be fine. the danger for him is over compensating. so they talked about al gore, when he was sighing, and demeanor was not good, gore over-compensated again in the third debate, so that is something that people who have had a poor debate performance have to worry about. >> larry, i want to ask you about this very quickly, the next debate style will be town hall. we talked about how the president
nixon was better in the second, gerald ford came back, ronald reagan came back after the disaster. and one assumes that president obama is doing the homework to make sure it happens. >> so johnathan, giving what larry describes here, does this mean the president has to come back and do just a solid debate performance or does he have to blow the socks off this one? >> just a solid performance. you know, he does have a lead, he lost, at most, two points. one to two points out of this...
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ronald reagan did the same thing from the right. the middle in america governors. it's like a bell curve. most americans are in the middle. you have to appeal to the middle in order to win and then to governor effectively. >> bill, i love it when folks are honest. >> well, yes. he's appealed to the middle and the left and the right and everybody else, mitt romney has. if you want to talk about his position on abortion, he's gotten quite a few of those. >> i'm glad you brought that up. much has been made over that. in fact, the u.s. news and world report put out an excellent piece over the number of different views he's had over his political career. how can we discern what governor romney's actual view on abortion and women's rights, what his actual view is? >> we can't. we can't. they have changed. when he first took office as governor of massachusetts, he said he was pro choice. then he appears to have had a sincere conversion to the pro life side, which he so far has maintained, but he said he's not going to sponsor any legislation to stage the status quo on abo
ronald reagan did the same thing from the right. the middle in america governors. it's like a bell curve. most americans are in the middle. you have to appeal to the middle in order to win and then to governor effectively. >> bill, i love it when folks are honest. >> well, yes. he's appealed to the middle and the left and the right and everybody else, mitt romney has. if you want to talk about his position on abortion, he's gotten quite a few of those. >> i'm glad you brought...
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president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are looking for a solid performance to try to stop the republican momentum, to try to quash the poll imbalance that romney and ryan have been enjoying since the debate last week even if stephanie cutter tried to tell us a minute ago there was so much bounce. to that end, chuck todd joins us from the debate site with new polling information out today. chuck, what do we know today, chuck? >> i think we know, look, there has been some movement in romney's direction. now, some of it is, i would say, if you look at everything we've learned over the last few days, in our polling, in ohio, florida, and vir
president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are...
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. >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> twitter was atwitter about that. that comment got a noticeable reaction from the group of undecided voters i watched during the debate last night. see it blown up there in the bottom of the screen. here is the problem, both kennedy and reagan working in a different time and place. to start, when both kennedy and reagan took office, individual tax rates not even in the ballpark of what we have now. kennedy's plan, enacted after his death, took the top marginal tax rate from 91% to 71% over a two-year period. lots of loopholes, but the growth argument, gdp rose by barely a percent during that time. isn't much when the economy was growing at a rate like china's, but the u.s. was at the time. they got a boost, but not much of one. ronald reagan's first big tax cut went into effect, and the economy did surge. economic growth went from 4.9% to north of 8%. year three, not so impressive. look at quarters, there were some drops. for perspective, today, the top marge call tax rate is 30%, not like are you at 70 or 90. can a r
. >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> twitter was atwitter about that. that comment got a noticeable reaction from the group of undecided voters i watched during the debate last night. see it blown up there in the bottom of the screen. here is the problem, both kennedy and reagan working in a different time and place. to start, when both kennedy and reagan took office, individual tax rates not even in the ballpark of what we have now....
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employed during harry truman's administration through to ronald reagan's. collecting people imeel ya that offers a -- memorabilia that offers a three dimensional timeline of the presidential families. john f. kennedy jr.'s baby pen. even a burnt wooden post from 1814 when the british set fire to the white house which arrington found at work during the truman reconstruction. >> we found the table in the tar pen ter shop. >> reporter: he also helped with the kennedy renovations and collected items from the first lady herself, including a handwritten thank you note after the death of her son patrick. >> they're real people and they have real lives. a lot of this collection demonstrates that fact as well. >> i'm sure when he was collecting them, he was just -- never thought it would be of great, big value. but today we're reliving part of history. >> reporter: 1,000 things that arrington saved will be auctioned off today. starting bids ranging from $25 to $12,000. just like presidential life, the collection is bittersweet. wedding and inauguration announcements
employed during harry truman's administration through to ronald reagan's. collecting people imeel ya that offers a -- memorabilia that offers a three dimensional timeline of the presidential families. john f. kennedy jr.'s baby pen. even a burnt wooden post from 1814 when the british set fire to the white house which arrington found at work during the truman reconstruction. >> we found the table in the tar pen ter shop. >> reporter: he also helped with the kennedy renovations and...
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when ronald reagan came into office and looked at social security. he appointed a bipartisan commission and they studied it for two years. and in 1983, they moved forward to pass legislation to reform social security. so those are the kind of things that you can do. i've seen it when i was governor. when we brought democrats and republicans together, we did the infrastructure. we made the commitment to rebuild california. we did a lot of progress in reducing the greenhouse gases and making a commitment to 33% of renewables in the year 2020. and stem cell research. on and on. and as soon as in 2005 when i thought i could go off by myself, and it's my way or the highway, just like the republican party, we're going to grind it out, it failed miserably. so i learned first hand is that the only action is when both parties come together. >> former governor of california. you understand the demographic shifts in the country very well. the latino population not just in california but throughout the southwest, throughout the midwest and the rest of the countr
when ronald reagan came into office and looked at social security. he appointed a bipartisan commission and they studied it for two years. and in 1983, they moved forward to pass legislation to reform social security. so those are the kind of things that you can do. i've seen it when i was governor. when we brought democrats and republicans together, we did the infrastructure. we made the commitment to rebuild california. we did a lot of progress in reducing the greenhouse gases and making a...
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green, i paid for this microphone was one of ronald reagan's breakthrough moment. the weird moment with eastwood and an empty chair may be symbolic of the first debate. >> the issue of the taxes alone, the big knock against governor romney here is that he walks away from a $5 trillion tax cut plan. he assumes that tax cuts spur growth and make the math work. simpson bowles say his math doesn't add up. you either explode the deficit. raise the middle class tax cuts, something has to give. >> something has to give and we just heard mike say that maybe the thing that gives is mortgage interest deductions. the single most important thing to middle class american families. and that's going to be and we'll get to this later. that's going to be a challenge for paul ryan. i think that what we have experiencing right now and we just said it, is that this sort of style over substance is, is, i don't think going to overtake this race. i think you have a president who was trying to move the facts out. was facing a guy who, who he hadn't seen before. either mitt romney is compl
green, i paid for this microphone was one of ronald reagan's breakthrough moment. the weird moment with eastwood and an empty chair may be symbolic of the first debate. >> the issue of the taxes alone, the big knock against governor romney here is that he walks away from a $5 trillion tax cut plan. he assumes that tax cuts spur growth and make the math work. simpson bowles say his math doesn't add up. you either explode the deficit. raise the middle class tax cuts, something has to give....
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ronald reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reduction and the result revenues up 99%. biden: we made sure we cut taxes for the middle-class. gerri: not even close to trooper release seven taxes from obamacare ball directly on the middle class. the tax for not having health care insurance. obamacare taxed the ma in the name of flexible spending account in those to deduct from taxes. i could go on and on. joe biden scored big points claiming hedgefunds would benefit. biden: 90% of small business america make less than $250,000. others are hedge funds making $600 billion per year that counts as the small business. gerri: hedge fund? the irs says they fall within the household of the top two brackets that the administration wants to raise taxes. and more than half of americans. vice president wants to raise taxes on small business. paul ryan does not. beau biden says the plan worked anybody knows the numbers knows it is not true. the federal deficit on track to hit $1 trillion for the fourth year in a row. the administration does not have a lot of bragging rights. 15% on f
ronald reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reduction and the result revenues up 99%. biden: we made sure we cut taxes for the middle-class. gerri: not even close to trooper release seven taxes from obamacare ball directly on the middle class. the tax for not having health care insurance. obamacare taxed the ma in the name of flexible spending account in those to deduct from taxes. i could go on and on. joe biden scored big points claiming hedgefunds would benefit. biden: 90% of small business...
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. >> ronald reagan -- >> okay. good morning. >> i missed that one. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, october 12th. with us on set, we have the former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. and contributor to "newsweek" and the daily beast and former adviser to george w. bush, mark mckinnon. >> wait. no, hold on. what is that, willie? >> it's fair to call it the mexican scarf. >> willie and i both were thinking about wearing that yesterday, but we were afraid we'd come to the set wearing the same thing. >> yes. maybe mark feels the need to distract this morning. >> distracting. let's see what al hunt is wearing this morning. >> washington executive -- oh -- of bloomberg news, al hunt. oh, my goodness. and from the site of last night's debate in zanvilldanvil kentucky, mark halperin. >> i think i speak for everybody when i say this morning we are all washington senators. >> we are. >> i'm still not going to call them the nats. we had a debate, but willie, really quickly last night, some more grea
. >> ronald reagan -- >> okay. good morning. >> i missed that one. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, october 12th. with us on set, we have the former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. and contributor to "newsweek" and the daily beast and former adviser to george w. bush, mark mckinnon. >> wait. no, hold on. what is that, willie? >> it's fair to call it the...
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. >> look at what mitt romney--look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. >> michael: i mean, as my friend cenk uygur would say, of course! the reagan defense. they've relyied on drawing a comparison to ronald reagan as well as one other president. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done before. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk about taxes and ryan still getting caught with these lies and then the next day saying that's exactly what we meant to say. how does this work, errol. >> a promise has been made. a big broad promise has been made to splash taxes. it's estimated by a reasonable objective source that this could cost treasury 5 tril
. >> look at what mitt romney--look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. >> michael: i mean, as my friend cenk uygur would say, of course! the reagan defense. they've relyied on drawing a comparison to ronald reagan as well as one other president. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done before. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i...
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. >> i was there when ronald reagan -- >> 800 million billion -- >> i've been to afghanistan 20 times. >> i was there, man, million billion, it's the cripplingest of crippling sanctions, like, ever, man. that's where i would go. >> what touted me was the loving way paul was staring at joe while he was talking. made me think about what might he have been thinking when he's staring at paul with this loving gaze? i wondered maybe he might say tell me more about how you used to get legislation passed in the continental congress. >> nice. >> very grandfatherly. >> i'm not a funny person. my thought was -- >> oh, stop it. >> you're not intentionally funny. >> thank you. >> yes, you are. >> do the exact opposite. how about biden is presented as a calm, placid figure. >> yes. >> precisely worded sentences and -- that's all i got. >> and ryan comes out in his outfit from "time" magazine, his weight lifting magazine pumping iron. >> oh, man. the ha the hat backwards. >> that would be awesome. >> whatever happens it's going to be amazing. >> great ideas. >> i'm sure they have ideas of their own.
. >> i was there when ronald reagan -- >> 800 million billion -- >> i've been to afghanistan 20 times. >> i was there, man, million billion, it's the cripplingest of crippling sanctions, like, ever, man. that's where i would go. >> what touted me was the loving way paul was staring at joe while he was talking. made me think about what might he have been thinking when he's staring at paul with this loving gaze? i wondered maybe he might say tell me more about how...
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>> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. what we're saying is, here's our framework. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed which has a broader base of taxation. >> can i translate? >> so we can lower tax rates across the board. here's why i'm saying this. what we're saying -- >> i hope i'm going to get time to respond to this. >> you'll get time. >> we want to work with the congress on how best to achieve this. that means successful. >> no specifics -- >> what we're saying is lower tax rates 20%. start with the wealthy, work with congress to do it. >> you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies guaranteed, verified this math adds up. >> vice president biden? >> let me translate. let m
>> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. what we're saying is, here's our framework. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed which has a broader base of...
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>> i think he might, he might take cues in a since of knowing how ronald reagan approached the debate to maintain a friendly disposition to be alert to the questions, and respond appropriately. and also to be very polite, and to be the gentlemen he always was. neil: ed, i am wondering, as a former attorney general, now, a lot of legal questions raised about the benghazi blow up, what the administration knew, many are demanding to see cables from ambassador stephens that they think shows he was concerned about his safety, that it could blow up, and legally it should be investigated, and warrant the hiring of a special prosecutor. do you think it blows up to be that big of an issue, and do you think it will come up in this debate. >> it may come up, i think that the administration is in a very tough position, they have two answers, which were not good, one is they were incompetent the other, they were lying. neil: true to your word, keeping it straight and simple like your old boss. if it takes away from this administration. you heard from time again from vice president that osama bin l
>> i think he might, he might take cues in a since of knowing how ronald reagan approached the debate to maintain a friendly disposition to be alert to the questions, and respond appropriately. and also to be very polite, and to be the gentlemen he always was. neil: ed, i am wondering, as a former attorney general, now, a lot of legal questions raised about the benghazi blow up, what the administration knew, many are demanding to see cables from ambassador stephens that they think shows...
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ronald reagan signed on to one of the largest -- one of the largest tax increases -- >> that was a tax -- >> that's why -- >> kept it from exploding. >> worked out -- >> you have to have some notion of what you want to do. >> the issue here is that, you know, romney has not put any of the details out. that is true. he's thrown some ideas. he said he's going to balance the budget in seven to ten years while doing tax reform, while increasing defense spending, not touching medicare, i mean there's a lot of things that don't add up but because romney has not given the details doesn't give the president the right to make them up for him. he is not going to have a $5 trillion net tax cut. >> absolutely good at details -- >> that's not his plan. >> but i think to say there's a $5 trillion tax cut to be offset by mystery meat. you know, that's a correct statement. >> or -- >> there's a $5 trillion tax cut, well, we don't know what it is he's going to do but what he proposed is a $5 trillion tax cut plus he says, trust me, i'll do something different. >> what can be more legitimate in saying y
ronald reagan signed on to one of the largest -- one of the largest tax increases -- >> that was a tax -- >> that's why -- >> kept it from exploding. >> worked out -- >> you have to have some notion of what you want to do. >> the issue here is that, you know, romney has not put any of the details out. that is true. he's thrown some ideas. he said he's going to balance the budget in seven to ten years while doing tax reform, while increasing defense spending,...
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the reason he's going to win is this was the most-watched debate since 1980 when ronald reagan ran against carter and there was only one debate that year. >> fox news is pulling out all the stops. check out the electoral prediction map fox trotted out today. look at the red states. they gave mitt romney solid democratic states like new mexico and pennsylvania. really? polls should be a snapshot of the current state of the race and there's no doubt mitt romney is benefitting from his debate performance last week. but over "the new york times," the forecast shows president obama still holds a 70% chance of winning the election. the percentage is back in line with the state of the race before the political conventions. president obama made some gains after the dnc. mitt romney erased those gains in the debate. so the race is back to where it was in august. eight years ago today, cnn poll after the first presidential poll put john kerry on top of george bush by one percentage point. the race is close. this should surprise no one in america. every vote is going to count. there's been bipartisan
the reason he's going to win is this was the most-watched debate since 1980 when ronald reagan ran against carter and there was only one debate that year. >> fox news is pulling out all the stops. check out the electoral prediction map fox trotted out today. look at the red states. they gave mitt romney solid democratic states like new mexico and pennsylvania. really? polls should be a snapshot of the current state of the race and there's no doubt mitt romney is benefitting from his...
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. >> ronald reagan. >> that's what you saul synap s synapses. now you're jack kennedy. >> the things that's so hard to analyze this debate, you could not watch the whole debate, you could start at the first minute and say what do you think about joe biden? and if people said, i kind of like him, then you like the debate and you thought biden won. if you said -- >> by the way, that's been said about joe biden since 1972. you either like him or you don't. >> he's joe biden. to joe's point, he's unapologetic about his joe bidenness and i think when he embodies being that, that economic populist streak and the stuff at the end that you played earlier, chris, with abortion when he talks from that sort of i'm an irish catholic, i know who the people are, that's when he's at his best. i would say some of the laughing and the derisiveness, particularly on foreign policy, i thought was a little bit off putting and a little over the top. >> i think that's right. i think it was well-said by both. you. joe klein, chris cillizza. tea partier and birther stev
. >> ronald reagan. >> that's what you saul synap s synapses. now you're jack kennedy. >> the things that's so hard to analyze this debate, you could not watch the whole debate, you could start at the first minute and say what do you think about joe biden? and if people said, i kind of like him, then you like the debate and you thought biden won. if you said -- >> by the way, that's been said about joe biden since 1972. you either like him or you don't. >> he's joe...
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. >> right-hand lane reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> go to my website, he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulation money for companies here in wisconsin? we sent millions of dollars. >> he did ask for stimulous money. >> on two occasions, we advocated for constituents advocating for grants. >> i love that. this is such a bad program and he writes me a letter saying, the reason we need this stimulous, it will create growth and jobs. his words. >> i want to move on here to medicare and entitlements. i think we have gone over this quite enough. >> by the way, any letter you send me, i'll entertain. >> the night would not be complete without a bidennism. >> that's a bunch of malarkey. not a single thing you said is accurate. >> the is a bunch of stuff. here's the deal. >> what does that mean? >> it is simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> we call it malarkey. >> we have a whole lot of words there. joining me is joe. >> the king of malarkey. we talked about the awards and body language and show some of what we were seeing tonight and a lot of smiles from the vic
. >> right-hand lane reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> go to my website, he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulation money for companies here in wisconsin? we sent millions of dollars. >> he did ask for stimulous money. >> on two occasions, we advocated for constituents advocating for grants. >> i love that. this is such a bad program and he writes me a letter saying, the reason we need this stimulous, it will create growth and...
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>> ronald reagan -- >> biden trying to make a moment of his own capitalizing when ryan brought up jfk. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> it's irish. >> we irish call it malarkey. >> it all came down to, again, stuff in this light moment. >> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pennsylvania, i'm in james, wisconsin. you know what the unemployment is in scranton? 10%. when you guys came in it's 8.5%. >> you don't read this. that's not how it's going. it's going down. >> look -- >> all right. you're going to hear more about the debate coming up throughout the day on msnbc. that is going to wrap up this hour of "jansing and company." i'm chris jansing. richard lui is in next. >> malarkey was my favorite. one of the top tweeted moments. >> unbelievable how much traction that got. >> have a good weekend. coming up this next hour, pardon the interruption, the vice president brings the heat with laughs, guffaws and jabs that some say in a debate too hot for congressman paul ryan. who won, who lost? joining me to t
>> ronald reagan -- >> biden trying to make a moment of his own capitalizing when ryan brought up jfk. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> it's irish. >> we irish call it malarkey. >> it all came down to, again, stuff in this light moment. >> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pennsylvania, i'm in james, wisconsin. you know what the unemployment is in scranton? 10%....
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reagan had worked together when he has spent the last year sucking up to the tea party is something that the president should have -- >> here is robert gibbs defending the president on "meet the press." gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, pe
reagan had worked together when he has spent the last year sucking up to the tea party is something that the president should have -- >> here is robert gibbs defending the president on "meet the press." gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we...
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>> ronald reagan once said to support the march of freedom, but we can't determine the pace. the people in the country determine the pace of the march of freedom. it's humorous to suggest we could do this. >> can you make an assertion but no answer. that seemed to happen in that exchan exchange. >> if anyone doubts foreign policy and who advises candidates doesn't matter, they have to watch that video. this is the stakes at hand. there's two ways to look at this, i think. on the policy side governor romney's critiques are wrong. the president has done a remarkable job in terms of getting us out of iraq, setting us up for withdrawal out of afghanistan, killing osama bin laden, dismantling al qaeda. those are incredible accomplishments by my standard. if this was a republican president, i guarantee you republicans would crow about the incredible record. on the other side, i have no idea what the republicans are doing. if they think they will win a foreign he policy debate with the president, they're sorely mistaken. >> the key is the great contrast. many things are starkly diff
>> ronald reagan once said to support the march of freedom, but we can't determine the pace. the people in the country determine the pace of the march of freedom. it's humorous to suggest we could do this. >> can you make an assertion but no answer. that seemed to happen in that exchan exchange. >> if anyone doubts foreign policy and who advises candidates doesn't matter, they have to watch that video. this is the stakes at hand. there's two ways to look at this, i think. on...
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>> oh, my god. >> let's go to mike barnicle, ronald reagan colored his hair for 80 years. that's good. >> is that a yes? >> we don't know. >> mike, really quickly i want to touch on what jim has been talking about, the column was talking about, what a lot of middle swing voters in america are concerned about. that is that washington hasn't worked over the past four years. when you have a new guy coming in and doesn't just talk about changing the tenor of washington but can say, i was a republican governor in a state that was 87% democratic in the legislature. i passed a health care reform bill, and i had ted kennedy standing next to me when i did it. that's a lot different from elizabeth warren saying, i can't name a single person that i would work for on the republican side if i were sent to the senate. >> there were many, many days when mitt romney was governor of massachusetts that when he went to his office, the corner office in the statehouse in boston, massachusetts, he was the only republican in the building. seriously. >> seriously. >> seriously. the legislature --
>> oh, my god. >> let's go to mike barnicle, ronald reagan colored his hair for 80 years. that's good. >> is that a yes? >> we don't know. >> mike, really quickly i want to touch on what jim has been talking about, the column was talking about, what a lot of middle swing voters in america are concerned about. that is that washington hasn't worked over the past four years. when you have a new guy coming in and doesn't just talk about changing the tenor of washington...
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governor ronald reagan who became a two-term president, won the cold war, successful president. and congressman ryan, he has been the chairman of the budget committee. he's had to deal with a number of national security issues. when you are head of the budget committee, you're crafting a budget every year. those numbers are actually connected to real programs, real priorities in the realm of foreign policy, and i think -- look, he's not joe biden. he hasn't had decades in serving on the senate foreign relations committee and having participated in many debates over the years on a range of these issues, but he knows where he stands. he knows where he's anchored on these issues, and i think he'll be comfortable talking about that. >> the abortion issue has popped up. it may pop up tonight. i don't know. governor romney saying one thing to the des moines register editorial board. i know what the romney/ryan position is on abortion and about life. is there going to be an active attempt to pass more pro life legislation. >> no. i think that governor romney -- >> what message are you
governor ronald reagan who became a two-term president, won the cold war, successful president. and congressman ryan, he has been the chairman of the budget committee. he's had to deal with a number of national security issues. when you are head of the budget committee, you're crafting a budget every year. those numbers are actually connected to real programs, real priorities in the realm of foreign policy, and i think -- look, he's not joe biden. he hasn't had decades in serving on the senate...
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think john kennedy of 1960, think ronald reagan in 1980. it's possibly that big because the president seemed to be on a glide path towards re-election and all of a sudden here comes the raging bull, mitt romney, out of the dark and they run for the safety exits instead of counterpunches and getting him hard. what happened to barack obama? i'm not certain. i don't know. but i know this, if he comes to the next two debates with the same demeanor and passive resistance, he's losing. >> you called it one of the worst performances of the time? >> one of the most inept performances by an incumbent president i've ever seen. i'm mystified. we do know these things about barack obama. we know he doesn't like to confront people. we know that -- chris: he doesn't like to fight with hillary clinton. >> he doesn't like to. he's really worried about appearing angry in public and that really isn't his natural demeanor but that was unilateral disarmament and was stunning. when mitt romney gives you an opening to talk about romney's accountant and doesn't sa
think john kennedy of 1960, think ronald reagan in 1980. it's possibly that big because the president seemed to be on a glide path towards re-election and all of a sudden here comes the raging bull, mitt romney, out of the dark and they run for the safety exits instead of counterpunches and getting him hard. what happened to barack obama? i'm not certain. i don't know. but i know this, if he comes to the next two debates with the same demeanor and passive resistance, he's losing. >> you...
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we went back a few months ago and decided to answer the famous question that ronald reagan posed are you better off than four years ago. most people forget he followed that up with three other questions, is unemployment better, easier to buy things and is the u.s. more respected in the world today than it with you when jimmy carter took office. >> how did you answer those? >> we went and compiled -- the entire issue is charts, graphs, articles but for the respect in the world we went and polled cab drivers in different countries all over the world. >> the old cab driver poll. >> so we tried to sort of take that -- >> i thought we always made up those cab drivers. >> we found real ones and for the most part we are more respected in the world at least according to the cab drivers. >> there were a few light moments. this was sort of the irish coming out of both joe biden and paul ryan. >> this is a bunch of stuff. here's the deal -- >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff. >> it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it is. we irish call it mularkey. >> they did -- their perso
we went back a few months ago and decided to answer the famous question that ronald reagan posed are you better off than four years ago. most people forget he followed that up with three other questions, is unemployment better, easier to buy things and is the u.s. more respected in the world today than it with you when jimmy carter took office. >> how did you answer those? >> we went and compiled -- the entire issue is charts, graphs, articles but for the respect in the world we...
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reagan for that matter. onto the conspiracy theory, jared bernstein, we heard from him earlier, he told me also this doesn't deserve any oxygen at all but others keep piling on. are you surprised by these claims from prominent people, well-respected people in industry? >> well, there are two different sort of sets on the republican side here. one is the jack welch side, the steve forbes, the people who are promulgating this conspiracy. the others are the folks who are serious economists. you talk to jared bernstein on the left. but douglashall john mccain's former policy adviser says the same thing in a story this morning. elaine child the former george w. bush's labor secretary said the same thing. so serious republicans who understand that these are two totally different surveys, they sort of understand the process and the way bls works there's not really a conspiracy here. >> can i ask you? you've been around d.c. for a long time. has anyone ever questioned this number, any reason to be suspicious of the
reagan for that matter. onto the conspiracy theory, jared bernstein, we heard from him earlier, he told me also this doesn't deserve any oxygen at all but others keep piling on. are you surprised by these claims from prominent people, well-respected people in industry? >> well, there are two different sort of sets on the republican side here. one is the jack welch side, the steve forbes, the people who are promulgating this conspiracy. the others are the folks who are serious economists....